3 February: Ferial Haffajee, Sharon Machira, Kate Bartlett & Stephen McGown

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04 Feb

Do we trust our media too little, too much, or at all? Gareth Cliff is joined by Ferial Haffajee from South Africa, Sharon Machira in Kenya and Zimbabwean Kate Bartlett. Plus special guest Stephen McGown, who was kidnapped and held captive by Al-Qaeda for almost six years.

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27 January: Evy Poumpouras (full unedited interview)

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28 Jan

The USA is polarising at the best of times, but mix in what was a heated election, protests, social media threats and Covid-19 and you get its current state. In a time like this, how does the Secret Service ensure the President is protected? Evy Poumpouras is a former Secret Service agent who worked under the Obama, Bush (both) and Clinton administrations. She's now the co-host on Bravo TV's series Spy Games, author of Becoming Bulletproof, and national media contributor who covers national security, law enforcement and crime.

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27 January: Gabriel Crouse, Rorisang Tshabalala, Gilli Apter & Evy Poumpouras

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28 Jan

With the way January has gone, will we survive 2021? Gareth Cliff is joined by Gabriel Crouse, Rorisang Tshabalala and Gilli Apter. Plus special guest, former secret service agent Evy Poumpouras.

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13 January: Jeremy Thompson, Sihle Ngobese, Phumi Mashigo & Dr D

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14 Jan

Are we ready for 2021? It's 2021, but how happy will our new year be? Gareth welcomes back his inaugural panel for this discussion - Jeremy Thompson, Sihle "Big Daddy Liberty" Ngobese and Phumi Mashigo to look into this. Then wraps up with Dorianne Weil who gives her psychological point-of-view.

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30 December: Nina Hastie, Eugene Khoza and Joey Rasdien

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31 Dec

2020 is almost over - Gareth tries to find the funny in amongst all this mess with comedians Nina Hastie, Eugene Khoza and Joey Rasdien.

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16 December: Mbulelo Thinta, Ben Karpinski, Siv Ngesi & Rutger Bregman

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17 Dec

The power and politics of sport – Gareth and guests explore South Africa’s addiction to games. With Mbulelo Thinta, Ben Karpinski and Siv Ngesi.

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9 December: Zelda la Grange (full unedited interview)

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10 Dec

It's been seven years since we mourned the loss of Madiba. Zelda la Grange spent almost 20 years with the man, and she joins Gareth Cliff this week.

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9 December: Barry Bateman, Nwabisa Makunga, Rofhiwa Madzena, Zelda la Grange, Wouter Kellerman & Soweto Gospel Choir

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10 Dec

There have been many big stories in 2020, but what do the people who brought us those stories think? Gareth Cliff chats to Barry Bateman, Nwabisa Makunga and Rofhiwa Madzena. Plus... a tribute to Nelson Mandela with Zelda la Grange, Wouter Kellerman and the Soweto Gospel Choir.

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2 December: Moeletsi Mbeki (full unedited interview)

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03 Dec

Gareth Cliff asks Moeletsi Mbeki about his perspective on how big institutions, as opposed to individuals, can help move South Africa forward... particularly in these complex times.

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2 December: Siyabulela Jentile, Keitumetse Moutloatse, Craig Wilkinson & Moeletsi Mbeki

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03 Dec

What does 'toxic masculinity' mean in 2020? Gareth Cliff is joined by Siyabulela Jentile, Keitumetse Moutloatse and Craig Wilkinson. With special guest Moeletsi Mbeki.

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