Jonathan Witt and Roman Cabanac go solo. Hear their opinions on the impeachment debate, who should head the ANC, and what is likely to happen to Jacob Zuma in the near future. By popular request there’s very little discussion about racism and much more about personal freedoms. They also reveal their political ideals and why third wave feminism is cancer.

 

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The Renegade Report – Opinions & Personal Freedoms

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  • Chloe Adams
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    Here’s a crazy idea! Perhaps hire a woman to talk about feminism? That way the discussion won’t be so empty and patronising. Until you do so pleease stop talking about women’s issues Gareth Cliff and “renegades”, you are not ready- you have neither the knowledge or the compassion to do so with tact.
    You stopped covering racism- please do the same with sexism- your tone lacks empathy, these topics are not for you.

    • Farnsworth
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      Feminism is allowed to talk about everything from economics to what people are allowed to say to how men are allowed to sit, but its verboten and not empathetic enough for two men to talk about feminism – at all? No, I don’t think so.

      • Chloe Adams
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        Men can talk about feminism with pleasure! Unfortunately men hardly ever do unless they are criticising it, which is what is happening in this interview. Have you ever had a constructive debate in favour of women’s rights? If so please continue and good for you and your friends for acknowledging that a movement which promotes the equal rights of half the populace can’t be ALL bad!

        But on the other hand, if you’re going to make bold, uneducated statements like those in this interview about a movement which has liberated women then yes, it is simple logic to include a feminist woman’s opinion. Otherwise it’s not a fair discussion.

        • Farnsworth
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          I consider myself deeply educated in the traditions of feminism, from Jean-Paul Sartre to Simone de Beauvoir and Naomi Wolf, Gloria Steinem and Camille Paglia – having given of my time to learn of them. To my knowledge, equal rights are enshrined in constitution and litigation, and gender parity has been attained and surpassed in most of the Western world corroborated by economic data and tertiary enrolled; furthermore, in my experience, the hostile refusal to offer a fair discussion and the over-issuance and over-subscription of ethical capital to feminists speaking exclusively about feminism is precisely what brought these gentlemen to the views that they express, and I agree with them.

          So where would you begin? If fairness is what you’re after. 😛

          • Chloe Adams

            Seems like you only include people who agree with your opinions 🙂 Oh wait I forgot, controllable women are welcome too!

          • Chloe Adams

            Roman please do some research before saying stuff- this is from the WIKIPEDIA site about 3rd Wave feminism (did you take the time to look up any of the stuff you said?):

            “It has been proposed that Walker has become somewhat of a symbol of the third wave’s focus on queer and non-white women. Third Wave feminists have broadened their goals, focusing on ideas like queer theory, and abolishing gender role expectations and stereotypes.”

            The rights of women in 3rd world countries and the rights of LGBT people are intricately tied to 3rd Wave feminism. Third wave feminism is against any form of sexual oppression- including LGBT people and people in 3rd world countries.

            Some of the stuff you say in this interview is inexcusably ignorant and prejudiced. You could take a lesson in humility from Jonathan, who handles this topic far better by not pretending he knows everything.

            One last thing to both of you, please don’t take it onto yourselves to undermine an entire movement through careless phrasing. You can talk about “Problems facing 3rd Wave Feminism”, or “Extremists within the 3rd Wave movement” or “How people misuse the 3rd Wave movement”. But please refrain from calling an entire Liberation movement a “cancer”- that is disrespectful, insensitive and foolish.

            All the best with your show! I look forward to more educated, inclusive interviews in the future 🙂 🙂

          • Chloe Adams

            I’ll ask my question again- have you ever had a constructive conversation in favour of feminism and women’s rights? Could you please detail the most positive aspects of the feminist movement which you have discussed with others?

            Equal rights being enshrined in constitution and litigation does not a fair society make. Could you site that economic data you’re talking about? If you take a look at the most powerful people in the world- how many are women? Systems of power and wealth still favour men massively, this is because of our male-centric history and because of men’s attitudes towards women today. Here’s an article highlighting the latter:
            http://fortune.com/2016/04/01/venture-capital-still-has-a-big-problem-with-women/

            Just because women are going to college doesn’t mean they aren’t limited by other factors, cultural expectations deem it more appropriate for women to interrupt their careers due to family responsibilities such as caring for children or ageing parents than for men to do the same.

            Societal fairness would see more men being included in “traditional women’s spaces”- child rearing, taking care of the elderly, domestic responsibilities, emotional regulation within socio economic groups. And it would see women being fully embraced in “traditional men’s spaces”- government, high earning job positions, leadership positions.

            Fairness in this interview would be women and men working together on this issue of gender inequality (as it includes both genders), through open and honest discussion with one another. Feminists aren’t limited to extremists (which exist in every movement). That’s a huge and very unfair generalisation on your part.

            What would constitute a “fair discussion” in your opinion? There are many third wave feminists who are very open to discussion. Which is why I suggested getting a woman on the show.

            Perhaps some of your own attitudes may have something to do with how feminist women respond to you? Or are you content with your opinion that ALL feminists are mean (hostile) illogical (refusal to offer a fair discussion) and ethically spoilt?

            I’ll leave you gentlemen with this article

            http://www.studentpulse.com/articles/864/barriers-for-women-to-positions-of-power-how-societal-and-corporate-structures-perceptions-of-leadership-and-discrimination-restrict-womens-advancement-to-authority

            Here’s the intro:

            Women’s advancement in the corporate workplace has taken significant strides over the last century. Research demonstrates, however, that despite an increased presence of female employees in mid-management positions, executive positions continue to be male dominated. Women are underrepresented in areas of governance, directorship, and executive leadership. This seems to contradict the apparent momentum of the promotion of women.

          • Chloe Adams

            Also, there are many many places where women’s rights are not “enshrined in constitution and litigation”, I was just giving you the benefit of the doubt.

    • Roman Cabanac
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      We wanted to but no-one wanted to join us. We will find an amenable feminist who wishes to discuss feminism but it may have to be an overseas lady.

      We’re working on it 😉

      Thanks for listening!

      • Chloe Adams
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        Thanks for trying, I look forward to a more balanced interview. Just be careful of word choice though- amenable?

        Definition of amenable:

        Willing to agree or to accept something that is wanted or asked for
        Able to be controlled, organized, or affected by something
        Open and responsive to suggestion; easily persuaded or controlled.
        “parents who have amenable children”

        synonyms: compliant, acquiescent, biddable, manageable, controllable, governable, persuadable, tractable, responsive, pliant, flexible, malleable, complaisant, accommodating, docile, submissive, obedient, tame, meek, easily handled;

        “an easy-going, amenable child”
        capable of being acted upon in a particular way; susceptible.
        “cardiac failure not amenable to medical treatment”

        synonyms: susceptible, receptive, responsive, reactive, vulnerable

        liable to be brought to account : answerable
        a : capable of submission (as to judgment or test) : suited
        b : readily brought to yield, submit, or cooperate

        It doesn’t surprise me that you haven’t found any amenable feminists… I would stick to “willing” as it is a less loaded word 😉