Ahead of the release of Reg's full interview with Daily Maverick's Branko Brkic, we're sharing his thoughts on the recent unrest and looting in KwaZulu-Natal and Gauteng, in this special mini bonus episode.

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Thabo Mbeki was right: There really are two South Africas. Most people jump to the conclusion that we’re a nation divided along racial lines. Others think it’s about the haves and the have-nots. The events of the past few days have made it abundantly clear that the real divide is between those who want law and order, and those who see the law only as a means to make themselves more powerful...

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With large government gatherings being so predominant, how will society social distance if leaders don't? Is extremism sustainable, because as we all know, "the tiger will always eat the trainer." Should we gun train all citizens? Is the ANC turning into a mob-like organisation, using violence to oppress even the most vulnerable? Greg Arde, the author of 'War Party: How the ANC's political killings are breaking South Africa', joins us to speak about the bloodbath in KwaZulu-Natal, and the factors that have led us here. Brought to you by Nando’s.

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