When Gareth first met Ambassador Martin Schaefer at the Naumann-Stiftung’s 60th birthday celebration in late 2018, he was struck by how candid the Ambassador was on the links between German liberalism and South African democracy. And as a student of history, he also enjoyed the fact that the Ambassador brought up the fall of the Berlin wall and De Klerk’s comments related to his decision to ring in the changes. To continue on a similar note and in getting to know him more, Gareth picks the Ambassador’s brain on his life and work in his current role, and beyond.



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Ambassador Martin Schaefer