Timothy welcomes Rory Sutherland back to the show. Rory is the author of ‘Alchemy: The Surprising Power of Ideas That Don't Make Sense’ and Vice Chairman of Ogilvy UK. Together they explore behavioural science - how small changes in a sentence can change everything, how a small shift in thinking about race could shift attitudes towards each other, and how offering more choice could change an anti-vaccinator's thinking. They even talk about the power of nature to super charge our immune system.... if you’re curious about behaviour, the brand and change - stay locked in.

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What is the value of South Africa's brand right now? Gareth Cliff speaks to Jean-Jacques Cornish, Dr Nthabiseng Moleko and Reg Lascaris. Plus, Rabbi David Rosen tackles whether religion can bring people together.

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